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1  General Category / General Discussion / Talk vs. appeasement on: Today at 10:42:20 AM
Radio host Kevin James on MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews, May 15, 2008
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/d1wSZBTAXRs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/d1wSZBTAXRs</a>




"If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends. You talk to
your enemies."
  - Moshe Dayan


"We must think differently, look at things in a different way. Peace
requires a world of new concepts, new definitions."
   - Yitzhak Rabin


Or at least we should familiarize ourselves with existing definitions so
that we will know what the hell we are talking about...
( a little knowledge of history wouldn't hurt either ) right Kevin?     lol


2  General Category / General Discussion / The Empire Strikes Barack on: May 08, 2008, 11:43:57 AM
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/a8lvc-azCXY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/a8lvc-azCXY</a>


Interesting and somewhat humorous video but like many I would say that Obama is as much a part of the Evil Empire as any he is running against (see the anecdotes in the piece below for a few examples).


Here is a link to a good explanation of a common anarchist position in terms of voting and lesser-evilism if anyone is interested. I use this link instead of the original one at Anarkismo.net because I like the Charlie Chaplin/Great Dictator youtube clip at end of this one:


Nobody for President


Why I Won’t Vote for Obama...
...Or for Hillary, And Certainly Not for McCain, And Not Even For Ralph

http://carnival-of-anarchy.blogspot.com/2008/03/nobody-for-president.html


excerpts:
When pressed, many liberals and social democrats will admit that Obama, like Hillary Clinton, is a candidate of capitalism, militarism, and imperialism. But, they argue, he is far less of an evil than Senator John McCain...


In response, I accept that the Democrats, however evil, are indeed the lesser evil. I only doubt that the greater evil can really be defeated by supporting the lesser evil. After all, liberals, unionists, the African-American community, the women’s movement, the environmental movement, the GLBT community, etc., etc., have been supporting the Democrats for decades, generations. And yet the Republicans have moved more to the right, and the Democrats have also moved to the right (but remain just a little bit to the left of the Republicans). Lesser-evilism has not worked very well....


The gains of the thirties labor movement were won mainly through sit-ins in the factories as part of mass strikes. The gains of African-Americans in the fifties and sixties were won through mass civil disobedience and urban uprisings (“riots”). The struggle against the Vietnam war was fought through massive demonstrations, student strikes, and a virtual mutiny in the army.


The gains of most social movements have been won through non-electoral means, not by electing lesser-evil politicians. Independent electoral actions, such as that of Ralph Nader or the Green Party, have never been very useful. If successful (as in some European countries), they will also be corrupted by the pressures of electoralism, money, and the need to administer a giant capitalist government....


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